Curse

Phantom Miria · May 25, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

This is something normally I do myself, but, I am completely inexperienced when it comes to long range builds. So, here is why its kinda of a challenge.

Im a Derv, I have only used close quarter characters, so my builds are effective for my character, (non ursan ftw)

But, the trouble I have is this. I am very picky on who I use. For example, I don't use male heroes. lol. I figure if Im going to play thousands of hours, im going to have an all female party.

Here are two that I have to have in my Party : Hayda and Xandra.

And because I do a 1-7 party, that is me as close combat, everyone else as long range, that would make Jora, Melonni, and Zenmai pretty much out of the picture.

That leaves Tahlkora, Acolyte Jin, Magrid The Sly, Livia, and Gwen.

As a rule, I use Henchies as well, 2 ele and 2 monk. But sometimes I get another player to bring heroes for farming, so that would give me no monks as a rule. They usually have to bring the monks, but they usually have crappy builds, but better then mine. So we usually struggle as a team, which is why I bring henchies. >_>

So, I need a couple different options, My Derv as close combat, Hayda and Xandra as whatever, (Currently Xandra is an mm bomber and Hayda is support) And I usually use Livia mainly as curses. Which is usually effective, but not as effective as it could be.

Here is what I need.

Hayda (some damage, mostly echos/shouts) - Xandra (MM/Rit enchantments) - With
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Jora - Mass Damage
Tahlkora - Healing and Protection build
Livia - Anything that does damage
Gwen - Hexer, or whatever is better
Acolyte Jin - Interrupt/damage
And Acolyte Sosouke in case I need an Elementalist
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These aren't set in stone, just an idea of what I need.

(Current Hayda - OQCjUqmLqSKYDZwY1YAtmYtbybA)
(Current Xandra - OASjUwhDJTOTNTIXVBLVoB4BysA)

If that makes sense. So builds for each so they can be most effective in their own right. Please don't post if you're not going to help. Seriously, no sarcastic remarks, I just need a little help, it is greatly appreciated for those that do.

Thanks

Hodgie · May 25, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/any_Cleaver

that works well on my jora.

also, why do you only use female heroes?
have the male heroes wronged you in someway or just you just hate all males ^^

shru · May 25, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

female chars only? super picky? OCD much?
anyway...your current builds are:
[build1;OQCjUqmLqSKYDZwY1YAtmYtbybA]
[build2;OASjUwhDJTOTNTIXVBLVoB4BysA]

I'd try something of a modded Rac Para team.

here:
[avatar you;OgGikysMZU0cFDKDKudVEf1DC]
or
[build name="wounding strike you" prof=D/W Mysticism=12+1 ScytheMastery=12+1+1][wounding strike][mystic sweep][chilling victory][save yourselves][aura of holy might][heart of fury][for great justice][ebon battle standard of honor][/build]
plus these heros:
[Hayda;OQGkUym4JgqjCOILkvwV4Rs7WeD]
[Melonni;OgSjQoqLrOe3Jhh4+GeBvlX8L]
[Xandra;OASiUwk84MbmK3qwRFNgcTuA]
or
[build name="Livia" prof=N/Mo soulreaping=9+1 deathmagic=12+3+1 healingprayers=9][jagged bones][animate bone minions][death nova][feast for the dead][infuse condition][foul feast][dwayna's sorrow][signet of lost souls][/build]

I'm slightly partial to SY spammers, but you def aren't limited to such.

Edit:
If you're just looking for individual hero builds try looking here.

Hodgie · May 25, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Shru, would you not maybe want an IAS in the wounding strike? i know you would be doing quite a high DPS would that would just own with an IAS.

shru · May 25, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Hodgie

Shru, would you not maybe want an IAS in the wounding strike? i know you would be doing quite a high DPS would that would just own with an IAS.

[heart of fury] is an IAS

best one for any derv with enchantments at that.

Hodgie · May 25, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

oh sorry mate, i didnt see it

well cos you are d/w flail could be used and also flurry could be used as the damage reduction wouldnt really affect this build as it it pumping out quite a hight ammount already.

also drunkern master could be used if they have a high enough dwarf rank and maybe some booze.

shru · May 25, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Hodgie

oh sorry mate, i didnt see it

well cos you are d/w flail could be used and also flurry could be used as the damage reduction wouldnt really affect this build as it it pumping out quite a hight ammount already.

also drunkern master could be used if they have a high enough dwarf rank and maybe some booze.

flail costs adrin and is a self snare, flurry reduces a tremendous amount of damage when your auto attacks deal so much, and drunken master requires booze to be effective.
Also, HoF is an ench that helps charge mystic sweep (which should replace eremite's in the first build aswell) and can also be maintained 100% with eternal aura.

Hodgie · May 25, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

true.......my bad

the reason i suggested flail was that enimies tend not to kite in pve so it wouldnt really matter and with a scythe withing a few hits you will have enough adren.

and the dmage from flurry wnt affect the damge from aura of holy might too much will it?

shru · May 25, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Hodgie

true.......my bad

the reason i suggested flail was that enimies tend not to kite in pve so it wouldnt really matter and with a scythe withing a few hits you will have enough adren.

and the dmage from flurry wnt affect the damge from aura of holy might too much will it?

flail cost adrin, so it will also slow your SY a bit, and flurry (aside from being extremely energy intensive) will pretty much negate any bonus holy might gives you, as both skills effect base damage.

The arguement that you're already doing so much damage that flurry doesn't matter is an absolutey horrid, as it's even more of a hinderance the higher your auto attack damage is.
lets compare a scythe attack to a dagger attack for a quick breakdown here:
25% of a 50 damage base attack (under holy might ofc) is 12 damage robbed from you, where as something like daggers using flurry is only costing you 25% of 15, meaning only 4 damage lost. (still not worthwhile on a sin as I hate any skill taking away your potential for damage)
But see, most of a sin's damage comes from the unaffected bonus damage, making flurry better than no speed boost as it accels the rate of bonus damage being done, where as dervs rely on their obscenely high auto attack damage and crits, further magnifying the downside of flurry.

Hodgie · May 25, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

u prove a good point ^^

soz was being abit ignorant.

shru · May 25, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Hodgie

u prove a good point ^^

soz was being abit ignorant.

Def not ignorant, I just wanted to point out some of the pros and cons of each, and imo, HoF has the least drawbacks/most benefits.

Sethellington · May 25, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by shru

[Livia;OASiUwk84MbmK3qwRFNgcTuA]

And all this time i though Livia was nec primary.

shru · May 25, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Sethellington

And all this time i though Livia was nec primary.

Thanks for catching that, should be xandra.

Phantom Miria · May 25, 2008, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Hodgie

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/any_Cleaver

that works well on my jora.

also, why do you only use female heroes?
have the male heroes wronged you in someway or just you just hate all males ^^

No, im just a guy. lol. I dont like the thought of starring at pixels shaped as men when theres pixels shaped like women. :P Female Heros have "Assets" that the male characters lack, which I am fine with. ^ ^

angmar_nite · May 25, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Yeah. You'll be fine with that till you realize two paras and an orders > 1 para and an orders...

Belonah15 · May 26, 2008, 08:22 AM // 08:22

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Originally Posted by Phantom Miria

No, im just a guy. lol. I dont like the thought of starring at pixels shaped as men when theres pixels shaped like women. :P Female Heros have "Assets" that the male characters lack, which I am fine with. ^ ^

Slightly disturbing IMO. If you look away from those assets you may notice that GW have stunning environments too.

Try this for a while.

Phantom Miria · May 26, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Belonah15

Slightly disturbing IMO. If you look away from those assets you may notice that GW have stunning environments too.

Try this for a while.

Haha. Sadly, this is the only game I play. So if I rack up a few thousand hours over a few years, its not a big deal. And I do see the environments, the npcs, the odd details on certain things, but like I said, I prefer looking at females rather then males. Then again, I prefer that in life too. It would be awesome to have women all around me at all times, why? Cause Im a guy. Which means I am visual. So its not an odd thing to say you prefer looking at female characters over male characters. Most of the guys I know agree. The others dont play videogames.

Now, I do have a life, but thank you for your concern, it was dually noted. But, please dont assume you know me, because just like everyone else who thinks they do, I assure you, they dont.

Belonah15 · May 26, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

My post was supposed to be seen as humorous, not a personal attack. Was joking with you.

Phantom Miria · May 26, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Belonah15

My post was supposed to be seen as humorous, not a personal attack. Was joking with you.

Sorry. >_> Im kinda used to getting attacked when I ask for help with builds or say I only use female heroes. lol. I just assumed it was an attack. ^_^ Plus is was right after I responded on another site to an attack...so it was kinda a bleed over from that.